Lub Yim Hli 2 cim 80 xyoo ntawm Tub Rog Tub Rog. Hmo ua ntej ntawm hnub so, cov neeg sau xov xwm Ogonyok tau ntsib nrog tus neeg ua paratrooper uas muaj suab npe, Hero ntawm Russia, tus thawj tub rog ntawm cov tub rog tshwj xeeb ntawm Tub Rog Tub Rog Anatoly Lebed. Peb tso nws cov lus tsis hloov pauv kom muab cov nyeem nyeem lub tswv yim ntawm cov tub ceev xwm niaj hnub no xav li cas thiab ua li cas.
Anatoly Lebed pib sib ntaus hauv xyoo 1980 hauv Afghanistan thiab txuas ntxiv mus txog niaj hnub no, txawm hais tias nws sab laug yam tsis muaj ko taw tom qab kev tawg. "Maresyev ya tsis tau txhais ceg ntawm lub dav hlau, thiab peb dhia hla lub roob," cov tub rog ntawm 45th Tub Rog Tub Rog hais txog Lebed.
Peb tau ntsib nrog Anatoly Lebed hauv lub tiaj ua si ntawm lub hauv paus chaw haujlwm ntawm 45th Separate Guards Order ntawm Alexander Nevsky Special Forces Reconnaissance Regiment, qhov uas nws ua haujlwm. Nws tsis yog lub sijhawm uas nws xaiv sijhawm noj su rau lub rooj sib tham - nws mob siab rau lub sijhawm so ntev ntawm kev qhia thiab dhia mus taug kev nrog nws tus dev npe Pate ("Vim tias nws nyiam pate los ntawm cov khoom noj qhuav"), uas nws coj los ntawm Chechnya. Nrog nws, nws tuaj rau kev xam phaj.
"Txoj cai yog qhov tsis tseem ceeb rau cov tub rog"
- Koj tau nkag mus rau hauv Tub Rog Tub Rog li cas?
- Peb pib dhia hauv DOSAAF. Txhua lub sijhawm ntuj tau kos. Kuv tus phooj ywg thiab kuv nkag mus rau Balashovsky, tom qab ntawd lub tsev kawm ntawv Borisoglebsk, tab sis tsis dhau lej, kuv xav ya. Peb tuaj rau hauv Cov Tub Rog Tub Rog, mus rau Gayzhunai faib, nyob rau rau rau lub hlis, tom qab ntawd cov tub rog ua phem rau hauv tebchaws Kazakhstan, nyob rau lwm xyoo thiab ib nrab, tom qab ntawd - Lomonosov Cov Tub Rog Kev Kawm Txuj Ci Hauv Tsev Kawm Ntawv. Peb kawm peb xyoos hauv Transbaikalia, thiab los ntawm qhov ntawd - mus rau Afghan. Xyoo 86, Lub Rau Hli, thiab peb qhov teeb meem raug pov rau ntawd. Tom qab ntawd nws raug tshem tawm ze Berdsk. Ln94 ua. Muaj ib pab tub rog, nyom nce mus txog rau duav, tsis muaj qhov chaw rau nyoob hoom qav taub ntawm tshav dav hlau. Kuv tau sau tsab ntawv ceeb toom, tawm kuv txoj haujlwm, Kuv twb yog neeg laus lawm. Tsis muaj tsev nyob, tsis muaj dab tsi. Tab sis phau ntawv hla tebchaws tau muab.
Thiab koj tau ua dab tsi?
- Kuv mus ua rog. Balkans, Kosovo. Belgrade tau foob pob thaum peb tuaj txog.
Koj so haujlwm los ntawm pab tub rog thiab yeem yeem mus ua rog?
- Yog lawm
Dab tsi rau?
- Koj txhais li cas yog vim li cas? Koj yuav tsum tau pab. Txhua qhov ntau ntxiv rau Orthodox. Ntxiv mus, lub xeev, thiab tsis yog qee tus neeg lossis tuam txhab lag luam.
Nws puas yog koj qhov kev txiav txim siab lossis koj puas tau nug?
- Tsis yog, peb. Peb ua txhua yam peb tus kheej.
"Peb yog leej twg"?
- Peb cov tub rog, yav dhau los thiab tam sim no, tub ceev xwm Lavxias. Los yog cov qub tub rog ntawm cov tub rog saum nruab ntug.
Ntau, tej zaum, yuav tsis nkag siab koj. Tsis muaj chav nyob, tsev neeg nyob hauv tsev so, thaum koj tsis tab tom nrhiav haujlwm, tsis yog qee yam lag luam, tab sis tau mus ua rog, uas koj yuav tsis tau txais dab tsi
- Yog, lawv yuav tsis muab dab tsi, tseem ua daim ntawv hla tebchaws koj tus kheej, vixaj, yuav daim pib koj tus kheej. Tab sis qhov zoo li no tsis yog kev khuv leej.
Koj puas tau mus rau Dagestan thaum ua haujlwm pab dawb?
- Yog lawm Xyoo 1999, Cov Neeg Maumoos tau mus rau Dagestan, thiab peb txiav txim siab mus nrog tus phooj ywg, Igor Nesterenko. Nws yog los ntawm Saratov. Peb tau nyob ua ke hauv Balkans. Peb saib thiab xav, nws siv sijhawm ntev los kos daim ntawv cog lus, thiab nyob ntawd, hauv toj siab, thaum Lub Yim Hli qhov kev kub ntxhov pib, peb tsis muaj sijhawm. Muaj haujlwm ntau heev.
- Yog li koj tuaj ntawd yog tus neeg yooj yim, ua haujlwm pab dawb, thiab koj ua dab tsi? Koj yuav tsis raug tso cai mus rau thaj tsam ua tsov rog, puas yog?
- Thaum tib neeg raug foob pob, tib neeg raug tua, tsoomfwv tseem tsis tau mus txog rau lub chaw lis haujlwm. Daim ntawv hla tebchaws tau xa tuaj - thiab tom qab ntawd nws yog nyob ntawm koj. Koj puas xav mus yuav khoom, tab sis koj xav tau - sib ntaus.
Nws nyob hauv Balkans. Thiab nws nyob hauv Dagestan li cas?
- Thiab hauv Dagestan nws yooj yim dua - ciam teb tau qhib, koj yog neeg tuaj ncig tebchaws tuaj - koj tuaj yeem sunbathe hauv Caspian, lossis koj tuaj yeem mus rau Ministry of Internal Affairs. Koj puas xav tau? Xav tau. Thiab mus rau roob.
Yog li koj tau mus rau Ministry of Internal Affairs ua ntej tshaj plaws?
- Tsis tas yuav nyob hauv Ministry of Internal Affairs. Kuj tseem muaj lwm yam txheej txheem nyob rau ntawd. Peb yuav tsis piav qhia ntxiv.
Koj puas tau qhia leej twg lossis koj puas tau tawm tsam koj tus kheej?
- Tsis muaj sijhawm qhia, muaj haujlwm.
Koj puas tau ua tub rog?
- Lawv tau muab qee yam. Tom qab ntawd lawv txawm nqa lub khoom plig lossis yuav ib yam dab tsi. Nws nruj nrog mos txwv thiab khoom siv. Thiab yog tias koj xav yeej, koj yuav tsum npaj kom zoo.
Koj tau hais tias koj tau mus rau Kosovo los pab Orthodox, tab sis vim li cas koj thiaj mus rau Dagestan?
- Tab sis qhov no yog peb lub xeev. Russia Ntxiv mus, leej twg yog tus yeeb ncuab? Tib yam uas tau nyob hauv Balkans. Hauv xov tooj cua nws tau hnov ntau zaus tias cov phooj ywg tuaj ntawm peb thaj tsam, los ntawm Central Asia, los ntawm Qaib Cov Txwv. Tus neeg sib tw yog tib yam.
Tom qab Dagestan, koj tau rov qab mus ua tub rog - koj puas xav txuas ntxiv mus?
- Cov pab pawg yuav tsum txav los ntawm Dagestan mus rau Chechnya, nws yuav tsum tau kos npe rau daim ntawv cog lus rau txhua yam kom raug cai. Peb tau kos npe rau daim ntawv cog lus thaum lub caij nplooj zeeg xyoo 1999, nrog rau 45th Airborne Regiment. Thiab Igor Nesterenko thiab kuv tau mus rau Chechnya. Thaum Lub Kaum Ob Hlis 1, 1999, nws tuag ze Argun. Hmo ntuj ambush, tuaj. Thaum 2 teev sawv ntxov kev sib ntaus sib tua pib. Nws raug mob thiab tuag thaum ib nrab plaub teev dhau los.
Qhov no puas yog tib tus phooj ywg ntawm koj xwb uas koj tau poob?
- Tsis yog. Muaj ntau. Kuv nco txhua tus. Hauv Georgia, peb cov phooj ywg kuj tuag lawm thiab.
Tom qab koj tus phooj ywg tuag, koj ib yam tau raug huaj vam, thiab koj txhais taw tau tawg. Vim li cas koj thiaj rov los ua tub rog?
- Kuv tsis tawm. Kuv tau siv sijhawm ib hlis thiab ib nrab nyob hauv tsev kho mob thaum lub chaw kho hniav tau kho, thiab nyob ntawd kuv yuav tsum tau npaj rau kev mus ncig ua lag luam.
Qhov ntawd yog, li cas, los ntawm lub tsev kho mob lub txaj, hauv kev kho hniav?
- Yog lawm. Thaum Lub Rau Hli 25, 2003, Kuv tau tawg, tau mus pw hauv tsev kho mob, thiab thaum lub Cuaj Hli kuv tau mus ncig ua lag luam.
Koj puas tau tawg hauv Chechnya thiab tawm mus rau Chechnya?
- Yog lawm. Nws tau cua tshuab ze Argun, qhov no yog thaj chaw ua haujlwm, peb tsis tau dhuav nyob ntawd. Thiab tam sim no, Kuv xav tias muaj haujlwm ntau nyob ntawd. Tab sis txij li thaum lawv hais kev thaj yeeb, ces kev thaj yeeb.
Koj puas ntseeg tias muaj kev thaj yeeb?
"Koj tsis tas yuav ntseeg peb." Peb yuav tsum tau npaj rau qhov phem tshaj. Rau tus txiv neej ua tub rog, kev nom kev tswv yog qhov tsis tseem ceeb.
Tab sis ntau ntawm koj cov npoj yaig tsis txaus siab nrog txoj cai tam sim no rau Chechnya
- Thiab lawv hais dab tsi hauv TV? Puas yog txhua yam nyob ntawd? Nws txhais tau tias txhua yam zoo. Peb yuav tshuaj xyuas thaum lawv hais tias nws txog sijhawm mus ua lag luam.
Koj puas xav tias lawv yuav?
- Cia saib.
"Kev lag luam tsis yog peb lo lus"
- Koj puas muaj tsev neeg?
- Muaj. Nov yog Pate. Kuv coj nws rov qab los ntawm Chechnya xyoo 2004. Nws yog phooj ywg sib ntaus. Nws ya ntawm ob tog tub rog. Nws raug mob. Kuv mob, tso tawm plaub zaug. Zoo, kuv muaj tus poj niam ib yam, menyuam.
Lawv puas muab chav tsev rau koj?
- Dali xyoo tas los. Ntawm no, tom qab lub hauv paus chaw haujlwm. Lub tsev tau tsim nyob rau thaj tsam ntawm chav tsev. Qee qhov chaw tau muab rau cov tub rog ntawm Moscow cov tub rog, tus so tau muag. Kev lag luam.
Koj tsis zoo li nyiam ua lag luam?
- "Lag luam" tsis yog peb lo lus.
Thiab koj yog dab tsi?
- Tsuas yog ua haujlwm.
Nws hloov tawm tias koj tau txais chav tsev thaum muaj hnub nyoog 46 xyoos?
- Yog lawm Zoo, tsis phem heev. Txawm hais tias ntawm kev mus ncig ua lag luam, koj tsis tuaj yeem xav txog chav tsev lossis tsev neeg. Yuav tsis muaj qhov tshwm sim. Thiab koj yuav tsum xav txog qhov tshwm sim.
Koj tsuas yog tus ua siab ncaj. Koj puas tsis pom zoo ntawm cov neeg uas tawm hauv pab tub rog vim lawv tsis muaj vaj tsev thiab nyiaj txiag?
- Tej zaum lawv yuav pom lawv tus kheej tom qab. Nws tsuas yog tias txhua tus muaj teeb meem thiab kev sib ntaus sib tua tseem tseem tsis tau los txog. Hnub no nws tawm nws txoj haujlwm, thiab tsib xyoos, tej zaum nws tseem yuav muaj kev lag luam ib txwm muaj. Cia nws npaj txhua hnub rau kev lag luam no - coj ncaj ncees, lub cev. Koj yuav tsum tau npaj tas li.
Koj tau ntsib nrog Vladimir Putin thaum nws nthuav qhia koj nrog Hero's Star, thiab tom qab ntawd, xyoo tas los, nrog Dmitry Medvedev, thaum nws tau txais khoom plig rau Georgia. Koj tham txog dab tsi?
- Nrog koj zoo siab.
Koj puas tau tham txog teeb meem?
- Putin nug: "Koj nyob qhov twg?" Kuv hais tias, "Hauv tsev so." Nws: "Kuv pom."
- Puas yog lawv muab chav tsev rau koj tom qab ntawd?
- Tom qab ntawd, plaub xyoos tom qab.
Piav qhia tias txoj haujlwm ntawm paratrooper txawv ntawm lwm tus txiv neej tub rog li cas? Koj tsis dhia qab cov yeeb ncuab kab los ntawm lub dav hlau, puas yog?
- Peb dhia tau. Av uas koj xav tau.
Koj tau ua haujlwm dab tsi hauv South Ossetia?
- Npaj tawm mus tom ntej, nrhiav thiab tshem tawm lawv cov pab pawg tom ntej, thiab tseem ceeb tshaj - khaws kev txawj ntse kom ntau ntawm peb cov tub rog ua rau kev ua phem thiab rhuav tshem ntawm cov yeeb ncuab.
Yog li koj nyob hauv thawj lub sijhawm?
- Raws li rov qab raws li kuv tuaj yeem nco tau, Kuv tau ua tus saib xyuas lub taub hau. Airborne Forces lawv tus kheej raug suav hais tias yog cov pab pawg ntawm pab tub rog. Thiab peb cov tub rog, kev txawj ntse tub rog, tau suav tias yog tus tiv thaiv tag nrho Cov Tub Rog Tub Rog.
Koj puas muaj daim ntawv hu tib lub xyoo no?
- Hauv Balkans muaj "Rus77", tom qab ntawd tsuas yog "Rus" tseem nyob, 77 kom hais tau ntev.
Vim li cas "Rus"? Koj puas xav tias koj tus kheej yog neeg Lavxias teb sab yawg?
- Puas yog phem? Yuav tsum tau ua haujlwm. Peb tsis nyob ntev txaus los ua neeg saib pom tag nrho peb lub neej. Tshwj xeeb yog koj tuaj yeem pab tau. Thiab tsis tsuas yog ntawm kev mus ncig ua lag luam, tab sis kuj nyob hauv kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb.
Niaj hnub no coob leej neeg ntshai xa lawv cov menyuam mus ua tub rog. Cov tub rog tau dhau los ua lub cim ntawm kev phem. Koj saib qhov no li cas?
- Thiab yuav ua li cas saib ntawm no? Tus txiv leej tub kawm hauv tsev kawm ntawv, tom qab ntawd hauv lub tsev kawm ntawv, tom qab ntawd mows, khiav zoo li tus luav, nrhiav kev pab. Thiab ntxiv mus txog hnub nyoog 27 xyoos. Kuv cov phooj ywg qee tus tau mus rau kev hais kwv txhiaj, zoo li hauv "Nord-Ost". Ib tug neeg mus kawm ntawv. Ib qhov twg lawv txeeb lub tsev kawm ntawv, qhov chaw hais kwv txhiaj. Thiab tam sim no ib tus phooj ywg raug tua, lwm tus raug tua. Ib tug neeg muaj txoj sia nyob. Thiab leej twg cawm? Tub rog. Yog tias txhua yam raug kaw, peb yuav tsis tso cov tub mus ua tub rog - yuav muaj dab tsi tshwm sim?
Tab sis hauv pab tub rog hazing, lawv tua cov tub hluas tsis muaj dab tsi
- Peb cov tub raug tua hauv qhov rooj, hauv tsev noj mov, hauv pab pawg thiab hauv chav dej hauv tsev kawm ntawv. Peb muaj pab tub rog - tus no yog leej twg? Nov yog cov neeg. Dab tsi yog zej zog, xws li cov tub rog. Ntxiv mus, kev cuam tshuam ntawm Sab Hnub Poob - kev tso cai, kev ywj pheej thiab lwm yam lus zam. Tsuas yog lawv muaj lawv tus kheej tus yam ntxwv, thiab peb muaj peb tus kheej. Peb lub tebchaws muaj ntau haiv neeg, lawv cov txheej txheem tsis haum rau peb. Feem ntau, kev qaug zog ua rau muaj kev ua phem. Vim li cas poj niam, nyiaj laus, menyuam yaus feem ntau tawm tsam? Vim yog qhov qaug zog. Yuav tsis muaj dab tsi teb. Koj yuav tsum muaj peev xwm sawv ntawm koj tus kheej ob qho tib si hauv lub xeev thiab ntawm qib ntawm txhua tus neeg. Koj yuav tsum tau npaj rau qhov phem tshaj kom qhov no tsis tshwm sim. Thiab taug kev hauv tsom iav liab, la-la-poplar, thiab tom qab ntawd lawv tau tsoo koj ntawm lub teeb ntsuab, thiab tus uas khob qhov rooj ploj mus thiab nws yuav tsis muaj dab tsi. Nov yog qhov uas tos txhua tus uas tab tom nkaum. Thiab yog tias ib tus neeg raug ntaus rau ntawm txoj kev, tsis hais leej twg - ntxhais, tub, tsis muaj tsev nyob - thiab koj tau taug kev dhau los thiab tsis cuam tshuam, - txhua yam, kerdyk, tib yam yuav tshwm sim rau koj. Koj ntaus tsis tau, tsuas yog hu rau tub ceev xwm. Twb zoo lawm.
Thaum koj tau txais kev xaj, koj ib txwm npaj ua, yam tsis xav, vim li cas thiaj li xaj?
- Peb tab tom xav txog yuav ua li cas thiaj li ua qhov kev txiav txim kom zoo dua qub.
"Qhov txiaj ntsig ntawm kev ua tsov rog, zoo li ua ntej, tau txiav txim siab hauv kev sib ntaus sib tua"
- Qhia peb txog kev ua tsov rog nrog Georgia.
“Cov cuab yeej ntawm lwm sab tau zoo. Txhua yam tau nyob nrog peb, txhua yam zoo li qub, thiab lawv tau nruj nrog cov thev naus laus zis niaj hnub no, riam phom, khoom siv, kev sib txuas lus, cov foob pob hluav taws saum nplaim dej. Lawv muaj ntau yam. Hauv xov tooj cua siv hluav taws xob, lawv muaj txhua yam zoo tshaj plaws. Feem ntau, lawv tau npaj zoo heev. Lawv tsis muaj hmoo nrog cov kws qhia. Los yog txuag ntawm tus kws qhia, lossis qee yam. Yog tias lawv tus kws qhia tau txaus siab, peb yuav muaj teeb meem thiab teeb meem ntau dua.
Koj xav li cas?
- Txhua lub tebchaws muaj nws tus kws pab tswv yim lossis tus kws qhia. Peb muaj peb cov neeg lis haujlwm. Lawv yog neeg txawv teb chaws. Nws tsis muaj qhov zais cia uas cov neeg Ukrainian muaj zog hauv xov tooj cua siv hluav taws xob, lawv kuj yog cov kws tshaj lij tshwj xeeb hauv cov cuaj luaj, piv txwv. Hauv kev tawm tsam, hauv kev ua phem, cov no yog cov Turks. Thiab qhov tseeb tias Turks ua haujlwm ua tus qhia rau Georgians, Kuv tuaj yeem hais meej. Vim tias thaum ua haujlwm hauv Chechnya, koj feem ntau tuaj hla kev ua tub rog nrog daim ntawv hla tebchaws Turkish thiab vixaj Georgia. Nws muaj peev xwm hais tias peb nyob ntawd ib yam nkaus, los ntawm peb cheeb tsam. Tab sis peb, feem ntau, tsis quav ntsej nyob rau hauv dab tsi chij lawv yog thiab haiv neeg twg. Yog tias lawv tawm tsam lub xeev nrog riam phom hauv lawv txhais tes, ces lawv yuav tsum raug rhuav tshem.
Tab sis lawv tsis tawm tsam peb lub xeev, puas yog? South Ossetia tseem tsis tau lees paub los ntawm Russia thaum lub sijhawm ntawd …
- Tsis muaj xwm txheej, tab sis peb xav tias lawv yog peb li …
Vim li cas "peb"?
- Cov neeg nyob ze. Peb cov neeg nyob ze. Ciam teb. Ntxiv mus, lawv thov kev pab los ntawm peb. Vim li cas ho tsis pab lub xeev, uas txiav txim siab ua ywj siab, thiab ib tus neeg tab tom cuam tshuam nws? Yog tias koj sawv thiab saib yuav ua li cas tus neeg nyob ze raug txiav, tom qab tag kis peb yuav muaj txhua yam. Tsuas yog xav txog, cov neeg nyob tsis txaus ntseeg nyob ntawm koj qhov chaw thiab koj nyob ntsiag to, thiab thaum cov neeg no pib ua haujlwm rau lawv tus kheej, koj nyob ntsiag to, thiab thaum lawv pib tshwm rau ntawm qhov chaw nrog riam, koj nyob ntsiag to, thiab tom qab ntawd, thaum lawv pib tua neeg nyob hauv chav tsev tom ntej, cov neeg nyob ze koj, koj puas yuav nyob ntsiag to thiab? Tsis yog, koj pab tsis tau tab sis cuam tshuam. Vim tias tag kis lawv yuav tuaj nrog riam rau koj chav tsev. Nws zoo ib yam nrog South Ossetia, tsuas yog ntawm qhov loj dua.
Koj puas tau mus rau Georgia hla Abkhazia lossis South Ossetia?
- Tom qab Saakashvili tawm tsam Tskhinvali, peb tau tawm ntawm Abkhazia mus rau Zugdidi thiab Senaki.
Ntawd yog, koj tsis tau nyob hauv Tskhinvali nws tus kheej thiab tsis paub tias muaj dab tsi tshwm sim nyob ntawd? Lawv hais tias qhov muaj txiaj ntsig tau yeej ua tsaug rau Yamadayev cov neeg sib ntaus. Koj xav tias txiav txim siab qhov ua tiav ntawm kev ua tsov rog yog dab tsi?
- Kuv tsis paub txog Yamadayev cov neeg sib ntaus, kuv pom lawv tsuas yog los ntawm Abkhaz sab. Tej zaum, lawv tau pab qee txoj hauv kev. Peb thiab hauv pab tub rog tsarist tau muaj kev sib cais los ntawm Caucasus, uas daws cov teeb meem sai thiab tsis muaj kev cuam tshuam.
Yog li ntawd, txiav txim los ntawm qhov laj thawj rau lawv txoj kev swb, cov neeg Georgians tau npaj zoo, tab sis kev npaj rau kev ua tsov rog yuav tsis tuaj yeem pab nyob rau hauv kev sib ntaus sib tua tiag, koj tseem yuav tsum muaj peev xwm siv qhov kev npaj no. Kuv xav tias lawv cov teeb meem yog tias lawv cov thawj coj niaj hnub no tsis tau muaj kev sib ntaus sib tua thiab lawv tsuas tsis paub tias kev ua tsov rog nrog lwm tus neeg yog dab tsi. Tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nrog Russia. Lawv xav tias nws yuav yooj yim. Nws tsis muaj nqi dab tsi los tso peb cov neeg saib xyuas kev thaj yeeb. Peb yuav nqos dab tsi. Nws tsis ua hauj lwm tawm.
Koj hais tias cov tub rog Georgia tau ua tub rog zoo. Txhua tus paub tias Lavxias tsis muaj riam phom ntau. Tom qab kev ua tsov rog no, cov tub rog Lavxias tau kawm ib zaj lus qhia? Piv txwv li ntawm kev tshem riam phom, piv txwv li? Cov tub rog Lavxias tseem tsis muaj drones. Thiab cov caj npab me yog cov qub
- Nov yog qhov kuv ua haujlwm ntev npaum li cas, Kuv pom drones ob zaug. Ib zaug hauv qhov phiaj xwm thib ob hauv Chechnya, ib zaug hauv Georgia. Nws zoo li cas? Nws raug mob, nthe, tsoo rau ntawm tus ncej ntawm tshav dav hlau, thiab qhov ntawd yog txhua yam. Yog li tsis txhob dag koj tus kheej.
Peb kev saib xyuas tub rog tuaj yeem ua haujlwm nyob rau thaj tsam roob thiab hav zoov, thiab hauv hav zoov, thiab nyob rau qhov nyuaj tshaj plaws, txoj kev, kev sib ntaus hauv nroog. Peb tau qhia peb tus kheej zoo ob qho tib si hauv Balkans thiab hauv Chechnya. Tab sis qhov txiaj ntsig ntawm kev ua tsov rog niaj hnub no, zoo li ua ntej, tau txiav txim siab hauv kev sib ntaus sib tua. Kev foob pob yog ib yam. Lub plhaub sib txawv. Thiab qhov txiaj ntsig tseem ua tiav hauv kev sib ntaus hauv av. Tib lub sijhawm, peb cov cuab yeej ua haujlwm tsis hloov pauv. Yog, cov neeg Georgians muaj phom m4 thiab m16. Thiab peb muaj AKM thiab AKMS, Kalashnikov phom ntev. Kuv tau ua tsov rog nrog lawv txij li 80s, tab sis cov no yog hom riam phom zoo tshaj plaws rau kev sib ntaus sib tua.
Koj tau sau tseg qhov kev qhia zoo ntawm cov tub rog Georgian. Koj puas xav tias lawv tau npaj rau kev ua tsov rog no?
- Tau kawg, tab sis yuav muaj lus nug dab tsi yog tias lawv hlawv Tskhinvali ib nrab hauv ib hmo?
Tab sis lawv hais tias Lavxias "qib" tau tua ntawm Tskhinvali nyob ntawd thiab
- Tam sim no lawv tuaj yeem hais dab tsi. Tab sis leej twg tua cov neeg saib xyuas kev thaj yeeb thiab cov neeg nyob rau thawj hmo? Hauv Tskhinvali. Thiab tsis muaj qhov poob los ntawm sab Georgian.
Tseem muaj tib neeg tua nyob hauv Gori. Hauv cov zos ciam teb, cov tsev raug rhuav tshem, thiab cov foob pob poob rau ntawm lawv thaj chaw
- Yog lawm, yog tias lawv rab phom loj tsoo peb cov tub rog, thiab peb cov tub rog twb nyob ntawm lawv thaj chaw lawm, nws yog qhov tseeb tias cov tsev yuav raug puas tsuaj. Peb cov tub rog tau xaj kom mus rau Georgia - Georgia pib ua phem rau Ossetia. Qee leej tau coj nws, kuv xav.
Thiab koj puas xav tias nws raug lawm uas cov tub rog tau nkag mus rau hauv Georgia tob, thiab tsis yog, piv txwv li, ntawm ciam teb ntawm South Ossetia thiab Georgia?
- Nws yog qhov kev txiav txim siab raug tshaj plaws. Raws li peb tus thawj tswj hwm yav dhau los, peb tus thawj tswj hwm yav dhau los, hais tias, kev tiv thaiv kev tiv thaiv yog qhov tseem ceeb los coj txoj haujlwm mus rau nws qhov kev txiav txim siab qhov tseeb. Yog tias koj pauv tshuab txhua lub sijhawm ntawm ciam teb, nws yuav kim. Thiab peb yuav plam neeg coob heev.
Tab sis yog tias koj ua raws lub tswv yim no, tom qab ntawv qhov kev txiav txim siab yuav tsum muaj qhov sib txawv - kom mus txog Tbilisi. Ntawd yog, qhov kawg, tsis muaj qhov kev txiav txim siab ib yam nkaus
- Qhov tseem ceeb rau peb yog qhov kev txiav txim. Lawv hais tias kom ua haujlwm ntawm lub xaib no, peb tab tom ua nws. Lawv hais rau peb kom thim rov qab, peb tau mus lawm.
Koj tau hais tias cov neeg nyob ze xav tau kev pab thiab koj tau pab South Ossetia. Tab sis Georgia kuj yog ib tus neeg nyob ze. Thiab nws hloov tawm tias kev sib raug zoo nrog tus neeg nyob ze no tau puas tsuaj mus ib txhis
- Yog, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog ntawm Ossetians thiab Abkhazians, lawv tau puas. Zoo, yuav tsum ua dab tsi? Txhua tus yog cov thawj tswj hwm ywj pheej. Lawv txiav txim siab xa lawv cov tub rog mus rau cov neeg pej xeem. Yog tias lawv tsis tau ua qhov no, nws yuav txawv dua. Yog tias koj tham ntev, koj tuaj yeem pom zoo qee yam. Thiab yog li hauv ob peb hnub los nthuav tawm tag nrho lub tebchaws ntawm rab phom - zoo, thov zam txim, leej twg yog tus liam. Thaum peb cov tso tsheb hlau luam nyob ze Tbilisi, Kuv xav tias cov pej xeem pej xeem nyob ntawd tau txiav txim siab txog qhov txaus ntawm tsoomfwv no. Thiab txhua yam rau cov phooj ywg txawv teb chaws. Thiab kuv xav tias nws yog qhov zoo dua los ua phooj ywg nrog cov neeg nyob ze ntawm qhov chaw tshaj li tawm tsam nrog lawv thiab tos txhua hnub uas lawv yuav tuaj nrog koj riam phom.
Ossetians, cov neeg nyob sib ze, thov kom koj pab, thiab koj tau pab. Thiab yog tias Chechens ib zaug thov kev pab los ntawm tib Georgia lossis Qaib Cov Txwv thiab lawv yuav pab lawv - qhov ntawd puas yog qhov raug?
- Koj yuav tsum paub keeb kwm yam tsawg kawg ntawm xyoo 90. Saib Chechnya. Dab tsi yog tus kav, xws li zaj dab neeg … Muaj ntau tus neeg As Kiv nyob ntawd, uas tau pab lawv nrog riam phom thiab nyiaj txiag rau kev coj ua phem ua phem? Ib tus neeg kuj tseem pab nrog kev ua phem phem. Kuv tsis xav tias tus hluas nkauj los ntawm lub zos uas ua haujlwm raws li tus kws qhia ntawv xav thiab xav thiab mam li nco dheev mus thiab tawg lub subway ua ke nrog cov pej xeem, cov neeg caij tsheb ciav hlau. Nws txhais tau tias ib tus neeg coj lawv. Nov yog Dudayev, Maskhadov. Lawv ua dab tsi? Lawv tau xyaum sib cais. Zoo, lawv yuav nyob rau lawv tus kheej, lawv yuav tsis kov leej twg. Tab sis lawv pib tso siab rau lawv cov neeg nyob ze, Dagestan. Thiab nyob ze Ingushetia, Stavropol, qhov chaw tau ua phem. Thiab qhov no twb yog kev hem thawj rau kev ncaj ncees ntawm lub xeev.
"Kuv txoj kev mus ncig ua lag luam tseem tsis tau tiav"
- Koj yog ib tus uas raug hu ua dev ua tsov rog. Kev ua tsov rog nyuaj tshaj plaws rau koj yog dab tsi?
- Txhua qhov nyuaj hauv nws tus kheej txoj kev. Tab sis lub ntsiab lus zoo ib yam nyob txhua qhov chaw - kom ua tiav txoj haujlwm, ua rau puas tsuaj rau tus yeeb ncuab, tsis coj kev zoo siab rau tus yeeb ncuab.
Yog tias koj nco qab txhua qhov koj ua tsov rog, puas muaj ib yam uas koj khuv xim?
- Koj khuv xim tias koj cov phooj ywg tuag lawm. Tab sis koj tseem paub - peb tsis yog thawj tus, peb tsis yog zaum kawg. Koj tsuas yog yuav tsum ua koj txoj haujlwm kom zoo. Ua kom cov yeeb ncuab xav phem.
Koj puas yog tus ntseeg?
- Kuv txoj kev ntseeg yog kev nqis tes ua.
Yog li koj tsis mus tsev?
- Tsis yog Zoo, uas yog, qee zaum kuv mus pom nws - nws zoo nkauj heev.
Koj yog 47. Koj npaj siab yuav nyob hauv qhov kev pabcuam ntev npaum li cas?
- Txog thaum lawv ncaws tawm. Lub sijhawm zoo li ntawd. Kuv xav tias kuv txoj kev mus ncig ua lag luam tseem tsis tau tiav.
Los ntawm Afgan mus rau Abkhazia
// Daim npav ua lag luam
Anatoly Lebed yug thaum lub Tsib Hlis 10, 1963 hauv nroog Valga (Estonia). Kawm tiav los ntawm Tsev Kawm Qib Siab Engineering, xyoo 1986 - los ntawm Lomonosov Military Aviation Technical School. Nws dhau los ua tub rog hauv Tub Rog Tub Rog. Xyoo 1986-1987 nws tau tawm tsam hauv tebchaws Afghanistan ua tus kws tshaj lij lub dav hlau. Nws tau ua haujlwm hauv Pab Pawg Tub Rog Soviet hauv Tebchaws Yelemees, Trans-Baikal thiab Siberian cov tub rog hauv nroog-hauv 329th kev thauj mus los-sib ntaus sib tua lub dav hlau thiab 337th sib cais sib ntaus sib tua. Xyoo 1994, nws so haujlwm tseg, ua haujlwm hauv Afghan Veterans Fund.
Tom qab kev ntxeem tau ntawm Dagestan los ntawm Chechen cov neeg tua rog nyob rau lub caij ntuj sov xyoo 1999, nws tau mus rau thaj tsam ntawm kev ua phem thiab ua tub rog nyob hauv cov neeg. Tom qab ntawd nws tau nkag mus rau hauv daim ntawv cog lus nrog Ministry of Defense thiab tau xaus rau hauv 45th cais kev tiv thaiv kev tiv thaiv ntawm Alexander Nevsky, lub hom phiaj tshwj xeeb ntawm pab tub rog.
Xyoo 2003 nws tau tawg los ntawm kuv li, poob nws txhais taw.
Lieutenant Colonel. Hero ntawm Russia (tau txais xyoo 2005 rau kev sib tw Chechen thib ob). Nws tau txais qhov Kev Txiav Txim ntawm St. George, qib 4 (rau kev ua tsov rog nrog Georgia xyoo 2008), Kev Txiav Txim ntawm Liab Liab Liab, peb Kev Txiav Txim ntawm Lub Hnub Qub Liab, peb Qhov Kev Txiav Txim Siab ntawm Kev Txiav Txim Siab, Kev Txiav Txim Rau Kev Pabcuam rau Motherland hauv Cov tub rog ntawm USSR, qib 3.
